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speak of. 1 5 ms of lag per person is pretty damn good

A D Link NIC and switch support that.

I don't think Jumbo Frames will matter much in a LAN party, unless his buddies are doing massive file transfers while gaming away.

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So yeah, if you look at the original HL servers, it was recommended, iirc, that the server have 100KB/s bandwidth for a 20 person server without voice and I think it was 150KB/s with voice. The actual usage that you would see on the clients side was only 3 5kB/s which you could see with the net_graph 3 command enabled. The HL2 netcode is a different beast though, where I've seen 10 15KB/s for a client. Well, new game, more variables, etc.

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StefanVonS wrote:As I stated in my original reply, all you have to do is pop a router onto the switch and you're good to go. You need a DHCP server to assign the IP addresses and such. I guess it is what coordinates who is who on the network. I think there is a way to manually assign the IPs and gateway information, but that doesn't seem very practical for a LAN party.

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Sp3ctral wrote:Thanks for all the replies, still have a couple questions though,

Krogoth wrote:titan wrote:Another vote for going with a gigabit switch. You should make sure that it supports Jumbo Frames as well. Jumbo Frames help reduce CPU overhead for network transfers. You're NIC will need to support Jumbo Frames as well.

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That said, I'd really recommend getting a switch that has auto MDIX. I don't think that that one you linked does. It just really helps with daisy chaining switches/routers because you don't ever have to worry about uplink ports because they can all accept a regular or cross over cable.

and as far as gigabit, fileshares shouldnt be an issue, we usually just lend each other our external HDs and get everything transfered beforehand so I'm thinking a 16 port unmanaged should be fine.

Every couple of weeks my friends and I will host a LAN party at one of houses and we usually have anywhere from 10 to 16 guys. We've been using a bunch of home routers and 5 port swtiches daisy chained with a couple of computers wireless.

As I stated in my original reply, all you have to do is pop a router onto the switch and you're good to go. You need a DHCP server to assign the IP addresses and such. I guess it is what coordinates who is who on the network. I think there is a way to manually assign the IPs and gateway information, but that doesn't seem very practical for a LAN party.

For a 16 port, the price premium isn't worth it for gigabit, IMHO. The Dlink 16 port 10/100 is $54 $10MIR. A gigabit Netgear one is $175 $25MIR. Not worth it.

Agreed. Unless you are running into the case where the switch can't handle the total number of packets, (in which case you need to get a switch made by a reputable companty) I can't see gigabit helping at all with gaming, since those packets are all pretty small and don't contain much data.

However, last I checked, most switches don't play well when jumbo frames are enabled and not all the clients support those.

Whatever you do, you really want to have a DHCP server in there somewhere. So even if you aren't plugged up to the internet, substituting one of the switches for a router will accomplish that, for not much $ more. You could also just have the router plugged into one of the switches and call it a day.

netcode made for a low bandwidth situation (the internet). Going on the LAN is a dream for most gamers as there's no lag to Huaraches Kids

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For reference: at our LAN party last weekend, the server was pushing between 20 and 30 KB/sec for a 15 person multiplayer map in UT. Not very much at all.

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Regarding the DHCP server, you probably do NOT need one. I imagine that everyone is running Windows, so APIPA ought to assign 169.254 addresses to everyone who is usually getting a DHCP address. Unless the alternate config is populated. The Linksys router could probably do DHCP if you enable that feature.

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The switch should be able to negotiate between fast ethernet and gigabit clients. All the computers would have to talk to the router about would be IP addresses, so not much actual data would have to be transmitted.

What advantage would a DHCP server have if we weren't on the internet?

should I get the $20 Skylink 10/100 or do you think that $45 D Link one would be worth the extra cash?

I bought the DLink 8 port switch for my LAN party last weekend, and it worked great. We used it in conjunction with a 48 port gigabit switch that the office had recently bought for one of the wire closets.

It's interesting to note that the HL engine had a cvar to enable better Nike Air Huarache Breathe settings for LAN games. I think it was sv_lan 1 to enable it.

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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but for the Gigabit speed to be reached, would the router attached to the switch also have to be Gigabit capable? I thought it had to be. either way, like has been said, for gaming, Gigabit isn't necessary.

:nod: Yes, games with good netcode have to have low bandwidth coupled with accurate reflection of reality to all the clients from the server, etc., so what you come down with is a game that had the Nike Air Huarache Textile

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but for the Gigabit speed to be reached, would the router attached to the switch also have to be Gigabit capable? I thought it had to be. either way, like has been said, for gaming, Gigabit isn't necessary.

What you could do is get a pair of the 8 port gigabit Dlink switches. The advantage is that you can have 2 switches and put them in difference places and have shorter runs from the computers. They are $50 $10MIR each. (To get both rebates, you might have to have 2 different people put the orders in)

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Unsure on what type of switch

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We've run into some network problems including lag and occasionally a dropped player. So we figured that buying a 16 port switch or hub would be better than the mess we usually set up. We don't need to be connected to the internet, and a 16 or 24 port switch/hub should be fine, but other than that I don't know exactly what I'm looking for because I see prices ranging on these from $20 to $500.

and would plugging my linksys router into one of the ports work as a DHCP server?

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